The interview was recorded partly on audio and the rest was
on video.
SC: Many of the things that are coming on Zimbabwe; right
now, I have just met some Tanzanians who were criticising us, heavily, just
here
Well, we are being told that we are now 7 times worse, more,
than when we were during Robert Mugabe times. I think that is one matter that I
am going to need a short engagement with you Sir.
Mudenda: There are exigencies (sic)
SC: Excuse me?
Mudenda: There are exigencies (sic)
SC: Let me just, while we are, let me just get a picture
with you if you don’t mind Sir.
SC: Right, where are we here? Right so, here meeting
Advocate Mudenda.
Mudenda: Thank you.
SC: You seem to have forgotten me, I don’t know why.
Mudenda: Yeah, I am trying to recollect.
SC: Splendid. Looking forward, I will be with you shortly.
Mudenda: Yeah
SC: Thank you Sir.
Mudenda: Someone will be joining me soon.
SC: Oh, someone will be joining you?
Mudenda: Yes.
SC: Okay, so someone will be joining you. Okay. So what I
will do maybe, once they come maybe, I will go away. I am just having a very
light one.
Mudenda: Okay.
SC: Oh, thank you Sir. Yeah, the criticism against us is
very scathing, it is very heavy, this gentleman from Tanzania who was saying he
runs an NGO, and works between Uganda and Tanzania, and he says your country is
now 7 times worse than when Robert Mugabe.
Mudenda: What reasons does he give?
SC: Err, we didn’t go into deep, we didn’t get deeper than
that, other than him saying the conduct of both government and institutions. He
alleges the judiciary as well, and parliament and he mentioned specifically the
withdrawal of allowances. Sir.
Ndokutorerai (shall I get you a ) chair?
SC: Sir, the withdrawal of allowances Advocate Mudenda, that
has extremely, extremely criticised yourself. On what basis you have here a
topic, local and international policy analysts here, they say you have caused
the deterioration of parliament, and.
Mudenda: I have what?
SC: You have made parliament to deteriorate. The value of
parliamentarianism is, should be.
Mudenda: Into what?
SC: You are now a spokesman of a military cartel rather than
parliament. And in this case Advocate Mudenda, you have a discussion, a topic,
that you yourself, you allowed into parliament, you brought this discussion,
and that is the 1 August brutality. It is clear even ZBC broadcast this.
Mudenda: (nod and sound in affirmation).
SC: They broadcast this, announcement that the military
would be used to change 2018 election results.
Mudenda: (nod and sound in affirmation).
Mudenda: Yes
SC: The same MPs who are meant to be part of your own
parliament Advocate Mudenda, they are part of your parliament. And you are the
one who allowed this discussion to get into. You allowed it to be discussed.
Mudenda: No, you see the members of parliament have
threatened to go to court, so that matter is subjudice.
SC: Sorry.
Mudenda: The matter
is subjudice and I am not discussing that.
SC: Because they have threatened to go to court?
Mudenda: Yeah I m not discussing that.
SC: But then, Sir, aren’t you concerned?
Mudenda: I am not discussing that.
SC: Aren’t you concerned?
Mudenda: I am not discussing that. I am not discussing that.
SC: That we have a clear matter.
Mudenda: I am not discussing that.
SC: You talked about a threat Sir, you talked about a threat
advocate.
Mudenda: I am not discussing that.
SC: You talked about a threat.
Mudenda: Can you stop it. Alright?
SC: Advocate, Advocate, a crime is being committed right
now. People are dying.
Mudenda: Go to court. Go to court.
SC: Go to court where? People are dying right now in
Zimbabwe advocate.
Mudenda: I am not.
SC: I have got; I have got victims of 1 August.
Mudenda: Can you also respect my point of view.
Alright?
SC: Do you also respect the people who are suffering, Sir?
Do you respect the victims who still have bullets in their bodies, Sir? The
victims who still have bullets in their bodies right now.
Mudenda: Can you stop it. Alright. Can you stop it.
SC: Advocate, Advocate, you are the highest you are the most
respected person in Zimbabwe you are here to represent parliamentarianism. What
parliamentarianism is. You are the person we refer to; we respect you sir. We
respect you. And I’ve come to you to ask you about this thing which we are
being criticised for our nation is being criticised right here, Sir.
Mudenda: Can you still stop it. This is not the forum.
SC: Why is it not the forum Sir?
Mudenda: can you stop it.
SC: but you are the Speaker of Parliament.
Mudenda: can you stop it. Haaah.
SC: I have got people who are crying I have got victims. Are
you concerned that you are no longer the Speaker of Parliament you are now the
Speaker of a military cartel.
Mudenda: Can you stop it.
SC: Stop what advocate, stop what?
Mudenda: Can you stop it.
SC: Stop what?
Mudenda: Can you stop it.
SC: But you are destroying our country. You are destroying a
whole community. You are right now, even the perception of our nation (sic)
Advocate Mudenda.
Are you happy that parliamentarianism has been violated
advocate Mudenda? Tell me.
Mudenda: [NO RESPONSE]
So you are not willing to address concerns about
parliamentarianism, you are here to represent parliamentarianism and you are
mentally torturing MDC MPs heading to the physical torture to victims of
violence on 1 August which was done to change election results and this was
broadcast on the ZBC. Advocate Mudenda, you are a respected man. You are the
highest, the most respected person Sir.
Mudenda: Can you slow down so I can eat.
SC: I shall slow down, but I hope you realise here, that I
have got people who are dying, there is a crime that is being committed.
Mudenda: Can I have my breakfast?
SC: You can sir, you can sir, I shall wait.
A crime is being committed Advocate.
Mudenda: can you move off can you move off.
SC: I am not Sir.
I have got a legitimate criminal concern here, a legal
concern sir;
I have got a legitimate legal concern.
UNKNOWN/ UNNAMED MAN
– MUDENDA’S AIDE TRAVELED WITH HIM FROM ZIMBABWE:
Sorry sorry I thought I had given you enough time.
SC: No you can’t do this.
SC: Advocate Mudenda people are dying right now people are
dying right now and you are mentally torturing MDC MPs. On what basis do you
withdraw their allowances for 5-months merely because they are expressing what
you brought before Parliament?
Mudenda: Can you move out.
SC: I am here I am not going to move out I am a guest here
and I am also; I am very much here; I am very much here; but I will wait on you
because this is important, because you are an employee you are a civil servant
Sir; your civil servant this is your job this is your job to be accountable to
members of the public; to the international community; to prove that you’re
doing the job of a speaker of Parliament not a speaker of a military cartel
advocate Mudenda.
UNKNOWN/ UNNAMED MAN:
No you cannot shut me I’m going to slow down I will allow
him to eat but I’m not going to leave here. I am here I am a guest here; I am
an invitee to this conference where you are as well; Thank you.
Tine vanhu varikufa right now hamadzedu dzirikufa
kuZimbabwe, akomana, varume, mauya kunoku imimi, saka ndanyarara ikozvino.
Ndakumirirai. Ndakumirirai.
This is a legal matter, it is also a criminal matter; I am
waiting here.
UNKNOWN/ UNNAMED MAN:
I think the honorable speaker has come here to have
something to eat.
SC: yes I will wait for him. I will wait for him Sir
As you can see I have withdrawn, I have withdrawn, I was
sitting there when you are sitting so now I have moved away now so we will wait
sir. I have got Zimbabweans who are waiting across inside Zimbabwe and around
the world they’re waiting; this is the most respected person, the highest
person in the country in Zimbabwe next to Emmerson Mnangagwa.
UNKNOWN/ UNNAMED MAN:
So why are you shouting?
SC: I am not shouting I am waiting sir.
UNKNOWN/ UNNAMED MAN:
I think it is more about threatening than anything.
SC: What threat did you hear? What threat did you hear
there?
UNKNOWN/ UNNAMED MAN:
I haven’t heard.
SC: No no no. Please don’t be unreasonable what street did
you hear here?
What threat did you hear tell me can you justify what you
said.
UNKNOWN/ UNNAMED MAN:
Know what I am simply saying you know when you are talking
on top of your voice if you really want to interview you the Speaker you should
interview in a manner that is (sic).
SC: According to your allegations I am quiet. Thank you.
UNKNOWN/ UNNAMED MAN:
Thank you.
POLICE ARE THEN SUMMONED IN AND DISRUPT THE INTERVIEW….
LIVE: MUDENDA CONFESSES MNANGAGWA USED MILITARY TO KILL PEOPLE TO CHANGE 2018 ELECTION RESULTS https://www.zimeye.net/2019/10/15/live/ via @ZimEye
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