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Dear Wibert, You raise some very important issues that require to be addressed. Your first point about the NTA: – Please note that my comment is on a technicality, pure and simple. When Ian Smith gave up UDI through the Lancaster House processes, he facilitated for Load Soams to come and preside over the ‘NTA” administration that led to the elections etc. When the Apartheid regime finally gave up in South Africa, it similarly facilitated for the ‘NTA’ that oversaw the processes leading upto Mandela’s Presidency. The point I was simply making is that when you have a defacto seating administration, you cannot establish an ‘NTA’ without that administration’s active facilitation. This is a technicality. Please do not enterprate it as a preferance on my part. I hope this is clearer and I am sorry if I did not explain it properly during the debate.
The second point was about VP Mnangagwa and the issue of Gukurahundi among other things. I want to answer this point through a very simple question. Which price would you rather pay, overlooking the past and making a fresh start and moving on or having people who fear retribution continue to hold the country to ransom?
Dr Nkosana Moyo has made some good points but I will take him up on two points:
1) He is wrong to say it is up to President Mugabe to agree to the formation of the NTA. The NTA will be there to implement the democratic reforms that the GNU of 2008 to 2013 was tasked to implement. President Mugabe is a megalomania and a control freak at that, the thought of sharing power with anyone is aberrant to him especially sharing power with someone like Tsvangirai. He would have rejected the GNU outright if it was up to him. He was forced to accept the GNU because SADC and the AU rejected his claim that the July 2008 run-off was free and fair; it was accept the GNU or we will throw you out with the Sodomites.
If MDC leaders had refused to take part in the 2013 elections as SADC leaders themselves were advising them to do, of course SADC will have refused to accept the results of the rigged elections. It would have been back with the Sodomites for Mugabe! By participating the MDC gave the elections the modicum of democratic legitimacy SADC could not ignore.
Botswana, the only SADC nation to do so, the Americans, EU and a few other Western refused to accept Mugabe’s claim that Zimbabwe’s 2013 elections were free and fair.
Given the endless problems Zimbabwe is today, many nations are now keen to see real meaningful change happen in Zimbabwe because they know the people of Zimbabwe are suffering and that Zimbabwe now poses a serious security threat to itself and the region.
If the people of Zimbabwe refuse to take part in the next year’s until meaningful reforms are implemented. Mugabe can have his flawed elections and SADC and AU will not be so easily fooled. This time SADC will be calling for a truly independent body, freed of the political blunders from Zanu PF and MDC, to implement the reforms which is what NTA is! If Mugabe refuse then the whole international community will throw the tyrant to the Sodomites this time!
2) Whilst the argument that we must focus more on building the future and less on manage the past because we cannot undo the past is a valid point in dealing Gukurahundi as with the Ian Smith crimes. The same argument cannot be used to justify electing someone like VP Emerson Mnangagwa president of Zimbabwe; which is the point Nomazulu Thata was making.
In SA, there was at least a half-heart attempt to hold apartheid criminals to account through the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. We should have had a similar commission to handle the crimes committed by the whites but also by the freedom fighters. If we had done so then those who committed the Gukurahundi massacres would have had their warning that they too will be held to account someday. We were very foolish not to set the precedence and have paid dearly for it. We will be very foolish to make the mistake again.
Whatever anyone may say or do the fact of the matter is Mnangagwa is incompetent, corrupt and a murderous tyrant to disregard those facts and elect president will sheer folly! What kind of future can an incompetent, corrupt and murderous tyrant like him to build other than a replica of what we have right now.
Zimbabweans have a knack for recycling the same corrupt and incompetent individuals and expect them to perform miracles just because we are too lazy to think outside the box and cast our nets beyond the useless individuals the morbid political system Mugabe imposed on the nation has thrown up!
We are in this political and economic hell-hole because we have wasted the last 37 years following corrupt and incompetent idiots who knew not where they were going and we dared not ask or open our eyes. We must open our eyes; there is an infinitely better and greater Zimbabwe beyond Mugabe’s corrupt and sickly “my Zimbabwe”.
Dear Wibert, You raise some very important issues that require to be addressed. Your first point about the NTA: – Please note that my comment is on a technicality, pure and simple. When Ian Smith gave up UDI through the Lancaster House processes, he facilitated for Load Soams to come and preside over the ‘NTA” administration that led to the elections etc. When the Apartheid regime finally gave up in South Africa, it similarly facilitated for the ‘NTA’ that oversaw the processes leading upto Mandela’s Presidency. The point I was simply making is that when you have a defacto seating administration, you cannot establish an ‘NTA’ without that administration’s active facilitation. This is a technicality. Please do not enterprate it as a preferance on my part. I hope this is clearer and I am sorry if I did not explain it properly during the debate.
The second point was about VP Mnangagwa and the issue of Gukurahundi among other things. I want to answer this point through a very simple question. Which price would you rather pay, overlooking the past and making a fresh start and moving on or having people who fear retribution continue to hold the country to ransom?
Dr Nkosana Moyo has made some good points but I will take him up on two points:
1) He is wrong to say it is up to President Mugabe to agree to the formation of the NTA. The NTA will be there to implement the democratic reforms that the GNU of 2008 to 2013 was tasked to implement. President Mugabe is a megalomania and a control freak at that, the thought of sharing power with anyone is aberrant to him especially sharing power with someone like Tsvangirai. He would have rejected the GNU outright if it was up to him. He was forced to accept the GNU because SADC and the AU rejected his claim that the July 2008 run-off was free and fair; it was accept the GNU or we will throw you out with the Sodomites.
If MDC leaders had refused to take part in the 2013 elections as SADC leaders themselves were advising them to do, of course SADC will have refused to accept the results of the rigged elections. It would have been back with the Sodomites for Mugabe! By participating the MDC gave the elections the modicum of democratic legitimacy SADC could not ignore.
Botswana, the only SADC nation to do so, the Americans, EU and a few other Western refused to accept Mugabe’s claim that Zimbabwe’s 2013 elections were free and fair.
Given the endless problems Zimbabwe is today, many nations are now keen to see real meaningful change happen in Zimbabwe because they know the people of Zimbabwe are suffering and that Zimbabwe now poses a serious security threat to itself and the region.
If the people of Zimbabwe refuse to take part in the next year’s until meaningful reforms are implemented. Mugabe can have his flawed elections and SADC and AU will not be so easily fooled. This time SADC will be calling for a truly independent body, freed of the political blunders from Zanu PF and MDC, to implement the reforms which is what NTA is! If Mugabe refuse then the whole international community will throw the tyrant to the Sodomites this time!
2) Whilst the argument that we must focus more on building the future and less on manage the past because we cannot undo the past is a valid point in dealing Gukurahundi as with the Ian Smith crimes. The same argument cannot be used to justify electing someone like VP Emerson Mnangagwa president of Zimbabwe; which is the point Nomazulu Thata was making.
In SA, there was at least a half-heart attempt to hold apartheid criminals to account through the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. We should have had a similar commission to handle the crimes committed by the whites but also by the freedom fighters. If we had done so then those who committed the Gukurahundi massacres would have had their warning that they too will be held to account someday. We were very foolish not to set the precedence and have paid dearly for it. We will be very foolish to make the mistake again.
Whatever anyone may say or do the fact of the matter is Mnangagwa is incompetent, corrupt and a murderous tyrant to disregard those facts and elect president will sheer folly! What kind of future can an incompetent, corrupt and murderous tyrant like him to build other than a replica of what we have right now.
Zimbabweans have a knack for recycling the same corrupt and incompetent individuals and expect them to perform miracles just because we are too lazy to think outside the box and cast our nets beyond the useless individuals the morbid political system Mugabe imposed on the nation has thrown up!
We are in this political and economic hell-hole because we have wasted the last 37 years following corrupt and incompetent idiots who knew not where they were going and we dared not ask or open our eyes. We must open our eyes; there is an infinitely better and greater Zimbabwe beyond Mugabe’s corrupt and sickly “my Zimbabwe”.